SACair Forum

This women is literally under attack and Bush wants to keep our borders open. :evil:

Erin I do agree that puting the minuteman project into effect is a good idea, I do not belive that the way they plan on doing it is the right way. There is a serious problem with imigration and terrorist types coming over the boarder. and it his a hinderance to the local population.

that was a well thought out response. i've seen a lot of these political threads get nasty, i like to see it kept clean.

One point that concerns me is will this type of behavior spread out beyond the border and the desert of AZ but to radical groups trying to excerise themseleves towards ethnic minorities that are already here?

thats a bad deal i didnt read it so dont flame the hell out of me if i am off, but it needs to be taken care of by some kind of agency. cant just be a self policing type deal or stuff will ge crooked and or out of hand.

Um, did any of you guys read up on the Minute Man project? They are strictly recon. They sit in their cars and call the BP(border patrol) when they spot an illegal. It's the BPs job to arrest them.

*sigh* long reading....seems like it's a good one though...

It's alright as long as they are paying their taxes. If they aren't paying they're taxes the are slowly sucking money out of the United States when they send some back to people in mexico. Not of of them do send money back to maxico but some do. they are also using our hospitals and education program for free. If they don't pay their taxes then they are getting all the benifits of a normal tax paying american without the part about paying taxes.

it's one sided to make their point....there are two sides to a story...

in that spanish american war, it was the USS Maine and only later was it to be determined as a boiler room accident :)

Although I respect Snoopys openion it is historicly inacurate. Admiral Dewy and the US Fleet attacked the Spanish Fleet which was Stationed in Manila. The Phillipines at that time were a Spanish Protecterate. After that they Became A US protecterate. When The Japanese Attacked Pearl Harbor It was not a State. No one in there right mind thinks that Japan attacked the Hawiians.

And we did Attack Cuba. Thats Where the Rough Riders and Teddy Rosevelt came from. and the Battle of San Juan Hill, oh and the entire Spanish American War.

I don't see where you pointed out his inaccuracy?

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[quote="Kahn"]Although I respect Snoopys openion it is historicly inacurate. Admiral Dewy and the US Fleet attacked the Spanish Fleet which was Stationed in Manila. The Phillipines at that time were a Spanish Protecterate. After that they Became A US protecterate. When The Japanese Attacked Pearl Harbor It was not a State. No one in there right mind thinks that Japan attacked the Hawiians.

It was an indipendent study. Some People Belive it some don't I dont care. My facts are acurate you can look them up if you like. I have sceen the hstory channel about the boiler explosion on the Main. But That was done 110 years after the war! so you cant argue that they should have made a diffrent decision. they went with what they had.

I know all that shit but not relavent to the argument of "The US did not go Attack the Phillipines for no reason"

I ike you guys and we all obviusly have alot of info on said topic so am done arguing with you guys about it. I belive what I belive and you belive what you belive. I am willing to leave it at that

I may miss out on some facts, but I'm pretty sure not a lot of people know about things I just said...

Regardless, i see ur point in snoopy's post was in addition there is a strong argument against that decision but we can save that for another time.

Im not denying that any of that happened in the phillipines! It did, What Im saying is that to say that we attacked the phillipines for no reason is wrong. Also ask some Phillipinos who lived in the Philiipines In the Early 1940s how the Japanies theated them. I think we are arguing 2 diffrent things.

i didn't bring up anything about japanese...

I know you didnt I just thought it would bring things int prospetive. Any way I still think that we all some what agree and are arguing difrent points. And it is all realy off topic anyway. and hell it all happened between 110 and 60 years ago so F**K it

[quote="Kahn"]Im not denying that any of that happened in the phillipines! It did, What Im saying is that to say that we attacked the phillipines for no reason is wrong. Also ask some Phillipinos who lived in the Philiipines In the Early 1940s how the Japanies theated them. I think we are arguing 2 diffrent things.[/quote]

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some good reading about why the Japanese attacked Peal Harbor:

they were not a territory but they were a protectorate which is why McArthur was there. I know that the Phillipinos were treated Badly and yes we did leave Military Assets there for our own reasons but "Land is the Foundation of State" If you have Stratigic ground you dont give it up. Im not defending the treatment of the people at all. and trating people badly isnt an attack I get treated badly all the damn time I dont think people are attacking me.

How would you intend on stopping Saudi Arabia? seriously and not just by saying "Bomb them with not over taxed military that could never sustain an effort to control the people Saudi Arabia"

[quote="Kahn"]they were not a territory but they were a protectorate which is why McArthur was there. I know that the Phillipinos were treated Badly and yes we did leave Military Assets there for our own reasons but "Land is the Foundation of State" If you have Stratigic ground you dont give it up. Im not defending the treatment of the people at all. and trating people badly isnt an attack I get treated badly all the darnit time I dont think people are attacking me.

Thats My POINT. The royal family of Saudi are too "Juiced in" in the area to be delt with. really i didnt want to go into it because it opens up way too many doors to too many different possibilites of an outcome. it was just a statement.