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People, I cannot say this anymore clearly.......California's politicians have driven firearm and accessory vendors out of the state. The last gun show at Cal Expo showed me that the second show this year is simply disgusting period!! With so many regulations and stipulations the State has forced many businesses to close their doors for good. To ensure your freedoms please join associations such as the NRA to ensure that your right to keep and bear arms is adhered to. To pay $7 to park and another $8 to get in the door to see about 25 or 30 vendors is sickening!! I mean I just do not understand how politicians think. Like for instance when California Lawmakers amended the 89 assault weapons ban by mandating that all AK's and AR-15 types have their bayonet lugs removed. HUH? Come again? HOW MANY DRIVE BY BAYONETINGS HAVE YOU READ ABOUT IN THE LAST TEN YEARS? These laws are petty and pointless. People please vote for pro gun lobbyists and people who hold our freedoms first and foremost. People like Dianne Feinstein are the biggest hipocratea when it comes to gun control. The woman opposes gun ownership pretty much for everyone except her. It's ok though for her to carry a concealed weapon however for the past 20 years or so. Go figure!!! Do as I say and not as I do I guess in her case.

seriously, if we take guns laws into perspective, they are massivly overbearing on the lawful citizens of America. Criminals who commit crimes with firearms are so stupid that if a AR15 is banned that they won't commit a crime, they'll just use a 30-06 or something. There are no more need for Gun Laws, our right to bear arms has already been more than infringed on, its been stepped on, smear around, and cut to pieces. The things that are illegal already have laws against them, the guns do not commit crimes. If we ban guns for commiting crimes, we might as well ban boy bands for bad music. Guns are not a priveledge as the "politicians" call them, they are a right, and if they think taking an "assault weapon" off the street is going to prevent crime, they need their head examined. And on another note, personally I'd rather be shot with an AR-15 than a 30-06...

"if we outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns..."

[quote="super snoopy"]"if we outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns..."[/quote]

There should be a line of what's legal and what's not legal when it comes to guns.

Criminals don't rob 7-11's with $700.00 AR-15s, or with $600.00 Mac90s, they rob them with $100-200.00 Shotguns.

[quote="Ferguson"]Criminals don't rob 7-11's with $700.00 AR-15s, or with $600.00 Mac90s, they rob them with $100-200.00 Shotguns.[/quote]

[quote="xyclos_b"]There should be a line of what's legal and what's not legal when it comes to guns.

civil defence should be in the hands of the citizens. if you want to see gun crimes go down arm every responsible middle class american with a surplus SKS and a box of ammo.

Amen John. I got my *snoopys gonna edit this word* homeland defense right here! lol. Hey i have another post from that Americas army thread. You'll love it. ill post what the instagator wrote so you'll get the whole idea.

[quote="Ferguson"]Criminals don't rob 7-11's with $700.00 AR-15s, or with $600.00 Mac90s, they rob them with $100-200.00 Shotguns.[/quote]

ah...

the thing that everyone is fearing is another robery like the one in LA how many years ago. I mean shit the cops were out guned for days. But I still see it from our point of views that we are not going to use them to rob someone we are just going to use them to go target shooting. But that is just us. I can't speak for everyone in how they are going to use a gun. But the main reason that they pass these laws is for assholes who do not understand that you only need a pistol to rob a bank or 7-11. If all guns are dangerous then why not just ban guns all together so that one can have at all not even the cops, that way everything would be even and we can go back to beating up people the old way with clubs and rocks.

[quote="JeremyK"]the thing that everyone is fearing is another robery like the one in LA how many years ago. I mean *poop* the cops were out guned for days. [/quote]

I did not know that they hit a dog. My point was that no matter what anyone does it will not stop the wrong people from getting these guns and using them in a manner that they should not be used. And yes true the cops should have pulled back and just seeked shelter where everthey could. But they also were thinking if they contain the situation no one else will get hurt. Look at the movie SWAT they took the gunmen out with snipers which is what they should have done in the first place.

[quote="Ferguson"][quote="JeremyK"]the thing that everyone is fearing is another robery like the one in LA how many years ago. I mean *poop* the cops were out guned for days. [/quote]

EDIT: Blah, was thinking of the Federal AWB. Sorry.

[quote="Rhino"]Let's also remember that cops are not trained to kill people but only "stop" them. As stated recently, if they could find a bullet that would instantly stop and not kill, they would buy it. Right now cops are in a dillemma that they must behave politically correctly and carry "safe and sane" pistols. Then when the odd less than .001 pecent change happens they get outgunned, the media screams for more firepower for the cops and less for the citizeny.[/quote]

hahah good one. although i can understand why people want to have gun control, what they dont realize is that theyre taking away their rights and are doing something that hasnt been done for a very very long time-change the Constitution. This hasnt been done since the 1800s for all i know. Secondly, like a lot of you have said, what will gun control do? sure stop good gun enthusiasts from just deciding one day to go postal and maybe shoot some people, but how often does that happen? AK-47 ARE NOT SOLD IN YOUR EVERYDAY GUN STORE. The LA bank robbery just highlights one of the VERY FEW incidents that actually occur with a bloody ending. i interviewed the tactical commander for the Sacramento SWAT team on saturday for a project and he said they averaged about 9 SERIOUS call-outs a year, most having to do with barricaded hostage situations. The sacramento SWAT team has only lost one member in its entire history. The ONLY other serious hostage situation i can think of was the Good Guys situation where they lost 2 hostages, but how did they get the guns? Hymm.....can u say, illegally? criminals dont follow the law. thats why theyre called criminals. gun control will only heighten their need for a gun and only cause potentially more bad situations......

And to top things off with the North Hollywood shootout boys, in their prior court sentencing the judge allowed Emil and Larry to get all of their guns back in order to pay for lawyer bills. LOL that proves that to sit on a bench you have to be a partial moron in order to qualify. I mean nobody would have saw that coming six miles away and all. The truth is this, 90 plus percent of criminal activities that involve firearms are commited with non-registered weapons that generally are not Colt Combat Commander 45's or Bushmaster 223'!!!!!!!! With regard to the issue of Semi Autos and Autos being more dangerous than other types of weapons.....Uh I would rather take a point blank 38 Cal round to the chest versus a 300 Win Mag from any distance, thank you for playing!!

This is all quite simple, by creating laws against guns the only ones that are going to obey them are the law obiding gun owners. Criminals DO NOT buy guns legally, they either steal them, or purchase them through the black market.

Well said Redleg!!!

[quote="Redleg869"]This is all quite simple, by creating laws against guns the only ones that are going to obey them are the law obiding gun owners. Criminals DO NOT buy guns legally, they either steal them, or purchase them through the black market.

Sorry, just kinda skimmed the other posts, some people were extreamly long winded. :)

I'm almost afraid to get involved in this... but here it goes.

[quote="Ferguson"][quote=" Trained not to kill eh? Is that why our tax dollars just bought the Sac PD all brand new M16's? :roll: Why they carry them in the shotgun rack. How many cops are going to actually use them. I've yet to hear of a domestic dispute that required an assault rifle to settle it.

I agree. I think it is unfair to infringe on our right to bear arms. But the most important issue here is public safety. Even now, handguns are bought LEGALLY by people who, by every letter of the law, are allowed to own them. But just because you are legally able to own a gun, doensn't mean you are responsible enough to do so. We talk so much about guns used in crime being "illegal". Where do you think these "illegal" guns come from? They come from guns being stolen from irresponsible gun owners(why weren't the guns locked in a gun safe??), they come from a "qualified" person buying a gun then giving it to associates to comit crimes, etc. Can you imagine how these young punks would act if they just stole a fully automatic rifle from some irresponsible gun owners house? I am pretty sure eveyone here in this group is a responsible, law abiding (for the most part hehehe) citizen....but unfortunatley, there are alot of people who are not. And a simple criminal background check is not going to tell us whether a person is responsible enough to own any weapon, let alone a fully automatic weapon. So where is the line drawn? I'm not sure, and to be honest, I;m glad I'm not the one who has to decide....but the bottom line comes to responsibility and public saftey.

[quote="awdriscol4"]Police officers take an oath to protect and serve the public interest. To pull back and wait while two men sprayed the area with automatic wepaons, putting the public at danger would go against everything they swore they would do. They did what they did not to be heros, but becuase its their job. The public was at immediate risk, they did not have the time to just pull back and wait and see what happens...[/quote]

I dont want to dwell on the police issue, that not what this thread is about. But the gunman surrendered only after fighting it out with police, then being shot. Of course he was surrendering, what choice did he have? Would you be so worried if it had been one of your famaily or friends that had been killed?

[quote="Ferguson"][quote="awdriscol4"]Police officers take an oath to protect and serve the public interest. To pull back and wait while two men sprayed the area with automatic wepaons, putting the public at danger would go against everything they swore they would do. They did what they did not to be heros, but becuase its their job. The public was at immediate risk, they did not have the time to just pull back and wait and see what happens...[/quote]