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Lets face it for the price of a clone, your going to get what you pay for.There is a major differences in quality control,materials used for parts are not quite the same quality.I have read about a lot of these clones and have heard about the higher amount of failures after use moderate, parts breaking or no operating properly out of the box, you know that will cost you money, and there's no guarantee that it will work with other parts.

Haven't heard much about the modify parts, don't think i'll need any. As for the ChiMan guns, the quality is improving all the time, I honestly would not tell a first time buyer to get these guns, not even JG b/c there's the chance of it breaking, and Nick, no offense but didn't your CA XM also need work out of the box b/c the compression pretty much sucked donkey balls? Personally, I'm going to take risks to benefit the community.

I might pick a couple pieces up and compare them to guarders.

Metalmaster, I gotta say I haven't heard a single positive thing about the ChiMan guns you've owned... not saying you made bad choices they were just bad guns.

Yea, I got the Well when it first came out a whillle ago, it was decent, nothing ever went wrong with it.

[quote="lineman66"]Haven't heard much about the modify parts, don't think i'll need any. As for the ChiMan guns, the quality is improving all the time, I honestly would not tell a first time buyer to get these guns, not even JG b/c there's the chance of it breaking, and Nick, no offense but didn't your CA XM also need work out of the box b/c the compression pretty much sucked donkey balls? Personally, I'm going to take risks to benefit the community.

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[quote="spokey"]penis[/quote]

I look at it like this

[quote="nightblade117"]None taken my friend,yes the XMs compression sucked.I might take a risk, just not for now, the quality control is a major issue for me, thats true with CA as well.I took a risk with that one, still perfer TM.[/quote]

[quote="Faint"]I look at it like this

Let's not start a TM vs. CA thread (seemed like that was where this thread was headed).

The Stone speakish the truth haha

i think im going to have to get an echo 1 m16a4...bare with me here people.

Stone, personally I am not a "ChiMan guns are going to be great-er", but just an airsofter that wants to try out something different. I was one of the poor guinea pigs when CA first came out with their AR series and had the worst time with it, but with so many around the airsoft world posting real, first hand experience with some ChiMan guns (positive reports, no less!) I wish to see it for myself. As for TM, it's great, works like a charm, and god (or whatever Shinto deity they worship in Japan) bless them and keep making smaller aegs, maybe one day we'll have a colt .25 auto AEP? LOL that I'd buy, but it might be $300. J/K

What I really want is a Berreta Scout AEG :shock:

[quote="lineman66"]Stone, personally I am not a "ChiMan guns are going to be great-er", but just an airsofter that wants to try out something different.[/quote] I get ya. I wasn't trying to call anyone names or classify anyone specifically (except for Rap and Metal :wink::lol: -- whoa, coincidence that their names are both music genres?).

I'm not sure if Ryan's has to do with rap or something else, he doesn't seem like the type to like rap.

Thanks Stone, the credit for coining the "ChiMan" term really goes to a fella named "Darklite" on the Arnie's airsoft D-Boards. I suppose I am optimistic about the progress of ChiMan guns, and I think that they have a place in airsoft, but just not suitable as someone's first serious AEG, which whenever possible should always be a TM.

While not on this board per say, more on big national boards like ASR and Arnies, it seems like people are substituting clones for the originals. The mass distribution of clones and cheaper airsoft products in general is getting more people into the sport. I also noticed that around the time the first clones started popping up, such as the Well P90, a few years ago the prices in Hawaii and Hong Kong dropped massively. There are mutliple factors that could cause this (within a a year and a half 3 more fully dedicated airsoft stores popped up in Hawaii ending the monopoly, Echigoya opened its doors to the rest of the world, more HK companies started online, and CYMA started shitting out more POS guns for cheap prices) but none the less there was a massive price drop.

Wow. I honestly have to say I read the first few posts and then scrolled through the rest. I am a TM guy, respect CA in a way, and also an explorer of those cheaper made guns. I recently got a UTG M14 OD and it is pretty good. It has been upgraded by the previous owner and it shoots 360 fps pretty consistently. Shooting it is great, hits the target almost everytime from 50 ft out.

Yo airsofters there has been quite a few reviews about airsoft guns made in China at arniesairsoft.co.uk and on airsoftretreat.com. I personally think that it will affect the airsoft industry such as manufacturing of just about any products. It can drive down the prices, while we all hope that quality will be maintained, or that big brand names might contract some Chinese company to manufacture some of there products to reduce cost.

then we get into the knock-offs of the knock-offs which China is famous for. In the end China's reverse-engineering, don't give a damn about patents/copyrights or intellectual property will hurt global economy. They can mass produce items for cheap since they have the worst industrial regulations in the world, sub-minimal wages, benefits and worker safety.

I would think that what places like China is doing will only bring about more innovation, case in point with TM, they are constantly developing new products, such as the AEP range and the slightly larger MP7 sub gun range, reverse engineering/cloning always happens in business, as much as people want to crap on China for making cheap, mediocre quality stuff, consumers almost always want the cheapest products. Now when it comes with airsoft, it's a slightly higher investment than say, t-shirts, so consumers should be more careful, but just take one look at what's happened with CA, didn't they get their start by copying TM guns (and did a terrible job at first)? The airsoft companies based out of mainland China are also capable of innovation, a chinese company (JLS) made the first SCAR-L, not CA, and a company made a USP AEP before TM made a release, now granted, the 2 examples I made were pretty much crappy products, but it's innovation nonethless.

COMMUNISM!!!

ya... CA is red commie then too since it's based out of Hong Kong which is now a part of red China! Seriously right now China's economy is more capitalist than ours, meaning it's all about getting profit and screw everything else, to think we actually have gov't regulations! (sarcasm mode turned way on)

you have never seen me feild a CA weapon

[quote="Faint"]Sorry boys but japanese women are hotter :P[/quote]

Yeeaaa too bad she is a twig.

Yummie!